Los puntos vulnerables del Panther
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Los puntos vulnerables del Panther
Los Rusos evidentemente estudiaron la vulnerabilidad del Panther y emitieron directivas e instrucciones sobre los mismos a sus tropas. Aquí tienen un esquema soviético sobre los puntos vulnerables de este carro alemán. Es curioso.
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muy bueno, si señor.. , por cierto, podrías traducir cada tipo de proyectil del dibujo? es que yo el ruso... . Por lo que se ve en las fotos, cada proyectil tiene una o varias zonas, ya que supongo que en le resto dicho proyectil no haria nada...
por ejemplo, pues el proyectil rojo pequeño, es de tantos milimetros, y perforaban tanto. los disparaban tal carro, anticarro...
a lo mejor me estoy pasando con la petición, pero bueno, la verdad me interesa...gracias por adelantado... :D
por ejemplo, pues el proyectil rojo pequeño, es de tantos milimetros, y perforaban tanto. los disparaban tal carro, anticarro...
a lo mejor me estoy pasando con la petición, pero bueno, la verdad me interesa...gracias por adelantado... :D
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La verdad es que mi ruso no da para más que para pedir un vodka y decir gracias. Lo he puesto por que me parecía un documento curioso y revelador del pensamiento soviético sobre el carro en cue´stión; fijándose y con un traductor on line se puede ir desmenuzando la información. Aunque quizás haya por aquí algún compañero que domine el ruso y pueda ayudarnos.
Saludos.
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Vaya, la verdad esque si que es curioso si. Por cierto.. ¿te importa que lo ponga en otro foro?
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Se lo he preguntado a Max Popenker:
the diagram reads: vulnerable places of german tank,
then list of projectiles:
- (14.5mm) from Degtyarov or Simonov antitank rifle
- AP or HE shell of any caliber
- AT shell
- AT shell at any range
- subcaliber AT shell of 45mm cannon
Numbers "following" the flying shells are maximum effective ranges
Es de suponer que los proyectiles AT sean de 76 mm (Del ZiS-3).
the diagram reads: vulnerable places of german tank,
then list of projectiles:
- (14.5mm) from Degtyarov or Simonov antitank rifle
- AP or HE shell of any caliber
- AT shell
- AT shell at any range
- subcaliber AT shell of 45mm cannon
Numbers "following" the flying shells are maximum effective ranges
Es de suponer que los proyectiles AT sean de 76 mm (Del ZiS-3).
"Hubo un tiempo, no hace mucho, en el que le dimos a este mundo una guerra con la que jamás había soñado..."
gracias!!!
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por cierto, algo parecido pero sobre el tiger VIE? lugares vulnerables del tiger VIE contra material británico?
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hawat escribió:
ummm, y al revés, o sea, el churchill 7 atacando el tiger I? qué puede hacer el churchill VII contra un tiger I o PZ VIE?
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En cuanto a la vulnerabilidad del Tiger, me ha venido a la cabeza la curiosa historia del Tiger 221 y la batalla de Cecina ( Junio 1944 )...................y no tiene nada que ver con el embutido....
http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html
"There are two armor plates on each side of the tank. The lower plate is partly covered by the wheels. This plate protects the engine and the gasoline tanks which are located in the rear of the hull, directly beyond and over the two rear wheels. Fire at the lower plates with armor-piercing shells from 76-, 57- and 45-mm guns. When the gasoline tanks are hit, the vehicle will be set on fire. Another method of starting a fire within the tank is to pierce the upper plates on the sides of the tank, thus reaching the ammunition compartments and causing an explosion."
http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html
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V.Manstein escribió:En cuanto a la vulnerabilidad del Tiger, me ha venido a la cabeza la curiosa historia del Tiger 221 y la batalla de Cecina ( Junio 1944 )...................y no tiene nada que ver con el embutido....
"There are two armor plates on each side of the tank. The lower plate is partly covered by the wheels. This plate protects the engine and the gasoline tanks which are located in the rear of the hull, directly beyond and over the two rear wheels. Fire at the lower plates with armor-piercing shells from 76-, 57- and 45-mm guns. When the gasoline tanks are hit, the vehicle will be set on fire. Another method of starting a fire within the tank is to pierce the upper plates on the sides of the tank, thus reaching the ammunition compartments and causing an explosion."
un `par de reportajes en francés e inglés sobre esta batalla, el M4A1 Sherman disparó un proyectil perforante con su cañón de 75mm a una distancia de apenas 30m sobre el Tiger
https://www.docdroid.net/1xyTUcI/rififi ... 3.pdf.html
https://www.docdroid.net/5MaDIEx/battle ... 4.pdf.html
hay fotos del agujero por impacto en el blindaje del tanque pesado
del libro "Panther vs Sherman,battle of the Bulge" edita Osprey, escrito por Zaloga, pags 21 a 23
The Panther’s turret front was protected by a rounded, cast mantlet, 100mm thick. This proved to be the Achilles heel of the Panther in frontal combat, as Allied tankers found that if their rounds hit the lower portion of the mantlet, the rounds often ricocheted downward through the thin hull roof armor into the ammo racks immediately below. This led to the introduction of new mantlet design in September 1944 featuring a thickened “chin” to avoid this problem, although tanks continued to be manufactured with the older mantlet for some months
Although the Panther had formidable armor protection from the front, its side protection was much weaker, with 45mm at 25 degrees on the turret side and 50mm at 30 degrees on the upper hull side, equivalent to about 50mm and 60mm respectively, depending on the angle of attack. The Panther could be penetrated from the side by the M4A3 (76mm) at typical combat ranges. The stowage of 52 rounds of ammunition in the side sponsons made this area the most vulnerable point on the Panther since penetration here usually led to catastrophic ammunition fires.
Mediocre overhead protection, especially on the engine deck. There were a large number of openings for engine air intake and cooling that made the engine compartment vulnerable to overhead artillery airbursts and to heavy machine gun fire from strafing aircraft. The Panther had a poor reputation regarding fire safety among German tank crews due to the fire hazard of the hydraulic fluid used in the transmission, fuel leaks in the complicated fuel cell linkage, and fires caused by engine back blast, but its excellent armor reduced the likelihood that it would be penetrated in tank combat
Although the Panther had formidable armor protection from the front, its side protection was much weaker, with 45mm at 25 degrees on the turret side and 50mm at 30 degrees on the upper hull side, equivalent to about 50mm and 60mm respectively, depending on the angle of attack. The Panther could be penetrated from the side by the M4A3 (76mm) at typical combat ranges. The stowage of 52 rounds of ammunition in the side sponsons made this area the most vulnerable point on the Panther since penetration here usually led to catastrophic ammunition fires.
Mediocre overhead protection, especially on the engine deck. There were a large number of openings for engine air intake and cooling that made the engine compartment vulnerable to overhead artillery airbursts and to heavy machine gun fire from strafing aircraft. The Panther had a poor reputation regarding fire safety among German tank crews due to the fire hazard of the hydraulic fluid used in the transmission, fuel leaks in the complicated fuel cell linkage, and fires caused by engine back blast, but its excellent armor reduced the likelihood that it would be penetrated in tank combat
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